Dr. Jimmy Barr, Chief Medical Officer at Antech Diagnostics, joins The Cone of Shame Podcast for a deep dive into the future of veterinary diagnostics. With a background as a criticalist and former CMO of Blue Pearl, Dr. Barr brings a clinician’s perspective to the evolving landscape of diagnostics. He and Dr. Andy Roark discuss how innovation is shaping veterinary medicine, from AI-assisted radiograph interpretation to predictive diagnostics and molecular testing. They explore the role of spectrum of care in diagnostics, the surprising tests veterinarians still perform in-house, and how AI can serve as a cognitive aid rather than a replacement for clinical judgment. Plus, Dr. Barr shares what he wishes he had known about diagnostics when he was in practice. If you’re curious about where veterinary diagnostics are headed and how they’ll impact patient care, this episode is a must-listen!
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ABOUT OUR GUEST
As Chief Medical Officer for Mars Petcare’s Science & Diagnostics division, James (Jimmy) Barr, DVM, DACVECC, oversees the quality organization and leads delivery of medical care for the global Antech veterinary diagnostics business. Additionally, Jimmy serves a key role in connecting Science & Diagnostics with the Mars Petcare ecosystem and the veterinary profession.
Most recently, Jimmy was Blue Pearl’s Chief Medical Officer, a position he held since 2018, growing the Clinical Affairs team and taking it to new levels of medical leadership and excellence. While serving as CMO of BluePearl, Jimmy helped establish the Board of Chief Veterinary Medical Officers which is an important collective of over 60 top veterinary medical leaders from across the profession representing various industry segments. Jimmy currently serves as the Chair of the Board of Chief Veterinary Medical Officers.
Jimmy holds undergraduate and veterinary degrees from Louisiana State University and completed his residency in Emergency and Critical Care at Angell Animal Medical Center in Boston. Jimmy worked clinically at BluePearl starting in 2007 and served on the faculty at Texas A&M University before serving in BluePearl leadership.
Jimmy enjoys outdoor activities and woodworking. He is married to another veterinarian, Medora, and has two dogs, two cats, and two human children. Jimmy is based out of the SDx office in New York.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Dr. Andy Roark: This episode is made possible by my friends at Antech Diagnostics.
Welcome everybody to the Cone of Shame Veterinary Podcast. I am your host, Dr. Andy Roark. Guys, I got a great one for you today. I mean, I am really on a roll recently talking about the future and innovation and where vet medicine is going with really interesting people. I am here today with Dr. Jimmy Barr and you’ll hear me gush at him when we start.
He is a cool guy. He is just– he is a criticalist by training. He was the Chief Medical Officer at Blue Pearl, which is the specialty hospital group and now he is the Chief Medical Officer at Antech Diagnostics and so I’m talking to him today about where are diagnostics going? What is he excited about in the next five years?
And like, it’s one of those sort of mind stretching conversations. It’s really cool. So anyway I was thrilled to have him here. We get into it. We start talking about spectrum of care and diagnostics and how do we meet people where they are as far as availability, affordability, what they want to do with their pets, and then also push to keep the standard of care that we have high.
And so anyway, I talked to him about what he knows now as the Chief Medical Officer at Antech, that he wishes he knew back when he was a criticalist at Blue Pearl. And so anyway, lots of stuff like that. It is a fantastic episode. Gang, without further ado, let’s get into it.
Kelsey Beth Carpenter: This is your show. We’re glad you’re here. We want to help you in your veterinary career. Welcome to the Cone of Shame with Dr. Andy Roark.
Dr. Andy Roark: Welcome to the podcast, Dr. Jimmy Barr. How are you, my friend?
Dr. Jimmy Barr: Super fantastic. Thanks for having me.
Dr. Andy Roark: Man, it is an absolute pleasure to have you. You you are such an interesting guy. You have, for those who don’t know you, you have you have a mouthful of a title. And so I’m going to tell you that the short version of your title that most people kind of know would be Chief Medical Officer at Antech Diagnostics.
Your official title is Chief Medical Officer for Mars Pet Care’s Science and Diagnostics Division. And so , you’re both of those things. just real quick tell me real quick about how, so Mars, so obviously Antech is a piece of Mars along with Banfield and Blue Pearl and VCA. And then across the pond, there’s Anacura.
It’s just, this is a huge ecosystem. How do you fit into that? Antech is a piece of it, and you are the Chief Medical Officer there, but you also have this global footprint. What is it, what is that like?
Dr. Jimmy Barr: First of all, thanks for having me here, Andy. This is a big pleasure. I’m a huge fan. So it’s great to be here and to talk with you today. You know, just to answer your question, Antech is a part of the Mars science and diagnostics division. So do you think about Mars Pet Care, which is the largest division in Mars?
Truthfully, you know, it has. Mars Veterinary Health also has a Royal Canin and then Pet Nutrition is another. Those are all divisions. You know, Mars Veterinary Health is where, you know, you know, Blue Pearl and Banfield and VCA and the, you know, the, overseas you know, the European group, that you mentioned. And then there’s the Science and Diagnostics Division, which contains Antech you know, some of the other sort of legacy businesses such as hand Heska Sound Diagnostic or sound Technologies wisdom, you know, those brands are kind of held within that. And it also includes the Walham Pet Care Science Institute in the UK.
And so, you know, fortunately I get to work with all those fantastic folks and you know, kind of get to be in the catbird seat for a lot of things that are happening.
Dr. Andy Roark: That, that’s amazing. So you, early in your career, you were on the faculty. So you are a criticalist by training. Let me start with that. So you are, you’re not a pathologist, you’re a criticalist. And you were on the faculty at Texas A& M and then you went to Blue Pearl in like 2007. In 2018, you’re the Chief Medical Officer at Blue Pearl, which is, specialty hospitals.
And then you made the switch over to this. in my eyes and in my mind, you’ve always been like, you’re not, you’re an emergency guy. You’re, you’re a criticalist, you’re a case seeing guy. And now you’re the Chief Medical Officer over, over at a diagnostics company. What was that, what was the draw for you to sort of make that shift?
Like, what you do now is very different from overseeing specialty hospitals. What was that, what enticed you to do that?
Dr. Jimmy Barr: Yeah, big time. Yeah, we could even back up a little bit before that Andy. I was a general practitioner when I came out of vet school.
Dr. Andy Roark: I didn’t know that.
Dr. Jimmy Barr: Yeah, so I was a general practitioner for a few years and then went and did residency at Angel in Boston. And then. private specialty practice and, you know, in Tampa and then on faculty at Texas A& M and then, most of my leadership career was been with Blue Pearl and, you’re right.
I’m a pretty clinically focused person. Honestly, like we were talking about earlier, I love a good shock resuscitation, so I have to admit I, I missed that part of clinics a little bit, but, you know, what, have me make the shift to leadership is more about, you know, impact and, you know, helping this profession and
being able to sort of have some, influence outside of what, I can do with, with clinical practice. And, I have to be honest, like, my leadership style and kind of how I approach things is all clinical. I mean, I, you know, I I think about clinical science and differential diagnosis anytime I’m approaching any problem.
And I’d be honest, it’s been very helpful in, in, in approaching a bunch of different scenarios. Yeah.
Dr. Andy Roark: It’s one of the reasons I was really excited to talk with you, right? Because you’ve got this very clinical mindset. You’ve been in the trenches. You know what it’s like to push cases through. And now you’re, overseeing, Antech in a lot of ways. And so that practicality of perspective, it’s something I think is really exciting.
And so I want to get into a couple of things with you today. I’m looking at vet medicine. It is changing rapidly a lot of different ways. I’m seeing huge innovation in the pharmaceutical landscape, right? We are seeing monoclonal antibody drugs. We’ve just, there’s just a new the last couple of years we have seen absolute game changer
medications coming out. I mean, just stuff that’s getting used all the time. That’s really changing how we practice, and it just feels like this incredible time of innovation in the pharmaceutical land. And then in the exam room, I was in the clinic earlier today. I’m using an A.I. Scribe and I love it. I mean, I think this is a huge deal.
It’s making our appointments faster. It’s streamlining how we communicate with pet owners. My medical records have improved. They’re getting these beautiful emails for me. Like just all of these things on my appointments are shorter. So I’m a huge fan of A.I. in the exam room and how it’s making me a more engaged, focused, tuned in clinician that has better records than he ever did before.
And so then I look around and we’re seeing I feel like the PIM systems are jumping forward, leaps and bounds, big innovation. And diagnostics is kind of a black box to me, I think, in some ways, right? I have no doubt that we’re seeing significant innovation in diagnostics. Let me start at a high level with you and sort of say, hearing what I’m saying about just innovation across the board, convince me that diagnostics are keeping up with the other segments in terms of innovation.What are you excited about there?
Dr. Jimmy Barr: There’s a lot there.
Dr. Andy Roark: There is a lot there.
Dr. Jimmy Barr: Yeah, I mean, well, you know, when you think about diagnostics, it’s an enormous part of what we do as veterinarians every day. I mean, you know, and I think that
when you take a step back and say, you know, what’s that for? It’s, it’s to give us the data to help us make decisions, right? That the only thing that it does is take that relationship between a veterinarian and a pet and a technician and the client, give you data to kind of make decisions in that scenario.
And anything that’s created when it comes to diagnostics has has to be supportive of that relationship and to be practical. There’s all kinds of things that we could do that. We could use some of these new innovations, new technologies and different areas. But if it doesn’t
if it doesn’t help you do your job from a day to day basis, and it doesn’t give you extra information, then it’s really not, it’s not worth doing. Right? And so, whatever we’re thinking about, you know, how do we move the needle forward in diagnostics, it’s with that in mind, I guess is the point.
Innovation doesn’t have to be fancy. It doesn’t have to be something where it is the newest application of a technology, it can be the, application of a, of an older technology in a more accessible way, or it could be. So there’s a little bit, less expensive in some circumstances, right?
There’s all kinds of things in which we could do. I’m here to tell you that some of the cutting edge stuff that is happening right now in veterinary medicine is exciting. I think you, you keyed on it a second ago. I mean, this is. This is an exciting time to, practice. I mean, there’s just a lot of really interesting things the amount of information that’s within our grasp in a very short period of time is actually really, it’s remarkable.
I feel like that we’re living in the future. I mean, there’s just so many things that are sort of coming, that, that are happening now that we’re able to use now, but the next 5 years, it’s going to be pretty amazing.
Dr. Andy Roark: I wanna ask you sort of your perspective here. I, I’m not sitting back around a little bit more maybe into, into some innovations you’re fired up about. I really love your perspective, you know, asking your yourself when it comes to diagnostic, is it worth it?
And it seems to me like that is very much a, a philosophy that’s probably born out of the emergency background, right? Like, how often as an emergency veterinarian are you there? And you’ve got sort of limited funds or budgets, and you’re saying, what are we doing here, guys? Yeah, all the time.
What are, what are we doing here, guys? I’ve been a big fan of the spectrum of care movement in veterinary medicine. When we start to look and we start to say, Look, how do we meet pet owners where they are? How do we make sure that people are getting care and not feeling guilty and working with what we have to try to, provide not just a ladder where there is a better, best, even better but more of a, like, let’s, there’s a lot of different ways to approach this.
When you look at it from a diagnostic standpoint, how do you look at spectrum of care, Jimmy? Like, how does that fit with this, with the suite of diagnostics you have?
Dr. Jimmy Barr: You shouldn’t run a test if you don’t if you don’t know what you’re going to do that information, I guess, is the point there are so many available options at the moment. Being just really crystal clear about what question you’re trying to ask, I think, is one of the bigger, one of the biggest sort of things that I, my, my first piece of advice, learning this from a bunch of years of practice. You don’t know what question you’re going to, you’re asking in that moment, it’s difficult to kind of know what, how to make heads or tails of that information, honestly, and, I love just like you, that whole idea of spectrum of care, where we’re, partnering with our clients or partnering with the pet parents and trying to figure out, what makes the most sense for your family.
And certainly don’t want to advocate you know, using diagnostics in place of therapy. So sometimes the therapies are more important than the diagnostics. In getting the right outcome in the case. And so, that’s sort of what I think spectrum of care is all about, you know, a huge fan of Jason Coe and all of his work, in spectrum of care.
And, you know, one of the things that he talks about some of the value matrix, right? So, like, And part of that is like, what are your client’s goals? what are your goals? Like, what are you trying to sort of figure out? And then merging those two together as like kind of equally important pieces of information.
And that kind of helps you make your decisions about what you’re going to do. You know, as veterinarians, we have all kinds of different areas in which that we are you know, accountable to, you know, are accountable to our patients. We’re also accountable to public health. We’re accountable to antimicrobial stewardship.
You know, there’s lots of things that we’re, you know, that we have to think about whenever we’re sort of making recommendations and, guiding folks in sort of the right direction. And, you know, from that perspective, spectrum of care, you know, it needs to be kind of part of your conversation because like that information that, you know, you bring to bear on a case is, important in the context of the pet, the parent, what they can do, what they’re going to be, what therapy they’re going to need.
The classic example I always think about in this way, taking x rays on a dissonant cat. I was like, do you really want it? You better really want to take those x rays. Right? You know, so so that information is going to potentially be dangerous to the pet. You’re going to spend some money.
You’re also going to be delaying therapy and some of these circumstances. So is that piece of information that you’re getting? Like, is that really worth that? you know, so if you are going to do it, you need to squeeze every ounce of data out of that radiograph as you can.
Right? that’s why I advocate for things like AI assisted radiograph interpretation. You know, if you don’t have, A radiologist that could overread those are, you know, depending on kind of your scenario and situation, your comfort level with radiographs, so it’s not just like the kind of the fancy PCR is that we’re doing.
We’re talking about like, squeezing every ounce of data out of the things that we normally do.
Dr. Andy Roark: Yeah. Well, I love that example of sort of the AI radiograph interpretation, right? What I sort of hear from you, which I think is a, it’s a beautiful message, you make it really simple, is it’s be intentional with your diagnostics. Like, what are you trying to do? What are you trying to find out? One of the things that I’m seeing in diagnostics today is real improvements in nice little helpful follow up pieces of information as far as, hey, based on this blood work, you might consider, you know, a couple of other things and here’s why.
And so you’re talking about sort of the radiographic interpretations and things like that. Talk to, talk to me a bit about, about how you see innovation around guided, guiding either follow up tests or sort of future diagnostics or things like that.
Dr. Jimmy Barr: I mean, that’s that to me is one of the most exciting parts about you know, artificial intelligence, you know, in veterinary medicine and medicine today, honestly, is sort of that, you know, thinking about those differentials and next steps that kind of can help to jog your memory about it.
And, you know, I think of it as being almost like cognitive aids. And, you know, like, it’s not that we don’t know some of these things, but a lot of times it’s just it would never have occurred to us in these particular situations. Right? I mean, you think about, you know, the first few times you, diagnosed an Addisonia. It didn’t come with a sign on it that said it had Addison’s disease.
You know, you had to think about that. Right? And think about the spectrum of disease, you know, spectrum of, diagnostics that you had to kind of give you that clue. Right. So, and in retrospect, it totally makes sense, but at the time it doesn’t really, right. And so that’s the, that’s a great thing about artificial intelligence is that it, it allows us to be able to digest a ton of information that we’d never be able to do in that minute, you know, in other things like with rapid read that I think is really fantastic is that.
It doesn’t have cognitive biases like, humans do, right? You know, when you, when you think about, when you’re reading radiographs, you know, honestly, the phones ring and those dogs barking in the background. Somebody’s asking you, you know, do you want lights with this? You know, you’ve got all these sort of inputs and you’re trying to focus in on the radiograph to sort of read that.
And, you know, they don’t have that distractions. That’s that humans do. And when they identify in this particular, you know, in our, in our scenario they create these bounding boxes around the pathology. It will draw a circle literally around the pulmonary edema that you see sort of in the radiographs.
And that’s, I mean, that’s pretty nice because you can then say, oh, yeah, that does look like pulmonary edema. Boy, that changes my, you know, it changes my sort of thought process a little bit, and which is, which is really good when you’ve got a ton of other things going on. I, I think. we’re going to get to a spot where, you know, all of our diagnostics are going to kind of be in one spot.
And there’s going to be some, digestion of that. That’s going to lead us in different directions, but it’s not going to be able to do a chest tap or drain an aural hematoma.
Dr. Andy Roark: Yeah.
Dr. Jimmy Barr: So, you know, so for those kinds of things, and we have to use them for how they were intended to be used, not to replace veterinarians, but to improve how we practice and improve the, quality of the decisions that we make which I think is, really going to be the exciting part and how that kind of gets melded together going forward.
I think it’s going to be beautiful.
Dr. Andy Roark: Two things that come out of that in my mind, I call it the shoot. Like I’ve, I have been a victim of, you know, the pet owners come in and they have a very strong opinion about what is going on and they sort of lean into it and you have other things that are sort of going on to kind of walk you in this direction and it’s always dangerous when you, you know, start, intentionally pursuing a path that maybe there’s other paths we should have looked at a little bit more Before we just really went down this one.
And so I think the idea that differentials is really great. The other thing I would say, you know, I think that there’s good ways to use AI and bad ways. And I think that probably the best way is AI is a fantastic teacher, you know, like, like the ability to learn and say, Oh, okay, I ran this through. You know, it’s just I don’t know just for anything you’re doing from, from software packages to, to medicine, if you, you run it through and it’s not giving you orders you have to follow, but just to wait and to sort of wait in and say.
Why is this coming up? Why is this the differential? And like, I just, it’s such an opportunity to continue to get better and better.
Dr. Jimmy Barr: Yeah, yeah, big time. I mean, it’s a tool for us, Andy. I mean, it’s a, it’s a thing for us to do, to use. And I, we’re still responsible for making the decisions as veterinarians. I mean, that, that’s just, that’s the reality. And so it’s, we have to use it in context of how it makes sense for our patients and how that works.
You know, it’s, it’s funny, you say, and we kind of get blinders on when we’re, you know, the owners think about these things. I can remember a case that I saw one Saturday afternoon when I was really early in my career and I was the one working Saturdays and it was just a UTI and I was like, okay, I’ll see that.
That’s no problem. It was one of the worst intravascular IMHAs I’ve ever seen, you know, it was like the UTI was what the owner thought was blood in the year and was severe hemoglobin area. And I just, you know, that kind of thing, you know, just really, you know, you have to keep an open mind or else you’re going to get led astray.
Dr. Andy Roark: You mentioned, you know, in the future, having sort of diagnostics kind of all in one place, and sort of interfaces coming out of that. Jimmy, it what do you think diagnostics are going to be in five years? I know I’m not asking you to look in your crystal ball, but sort of paint me what is it? What is it?
What is sort of the best case sort of what is the picture? How would diagnostics in general practice going to look different and say five maybe a little beyond that years from now?
Dr. Jimmy Barr: Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, it’s really hard to prognosticate if you know, if some of the things I mean, if you look at, you know, there are a ton of you know, really advanced diagnostics that are becoming really small, less expensive. That can actually move into the hospitals where, you know, we hadn’t really thought, you know, thought about different things.
I mean, there’s a ton of, you know, molecular diagnostic things that are happening in really small packages these days that are you know, I think that You know, it’s going to be hard. It’s going to have to prove clinical utility, right? You know, so there’s going to have to be ways in which we make sure that that adds value, in a short period of time.
So that’s a, that’s a thing. I think I would, you know, keep an eye on, you know, molecular diagnostics like PCR, even some You know, antibody based tests, like, are going to just continue to sort of become more and more flexible and allow us to be able to get information sort of in the practices.
I think that’s interesting. You know, there are innovations that are out there that would blow your mind about, what are sort of being evaluated. But one thing I can be sure about is that integration of this information together of, you know, kind of routine stuff and the integration of that together is going to give us insights that we probably haven’t ever really had you know, in the past.
And so meaning that you know, predictive diagnostics are going to be really important and that’s taking oftentimes it’s, it’s, it’s being able to put in context over, you know, with, with large data sets in order to be able to, you know, kind of determine, like, okay, well, you know, pet with a phosphorus that’s gone up, you know, 0. 5 in the last year, that’s something that we would have to pay attention to. And so, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s going to, we’re going to get to a spot. Yeah. I believe, truthfully, it’s almost like individualized medicine, you know, if when we start integrating in things like genetics, along with our sort of normal lab work, radiograph findings, and then digesting that data together, that is going to be we’re going to see that, that, that kind of thing take off.
Yeah.
Dr. Andy Roark: That’s amazing. That gives me really excited. It totally makes sense too. It’s sort of a new way to look at it. We, I want to switch gears a little bit here, you know, but you were sort of talking about looking at, at sort of what people are doing and what’s moving into the practice and things like that.
When you came in as the Chief medical Officer and you’re coming from Blue Pearl and you’re coming in and you’re looking at the diagnostic tests that are getting done at Antech.
Dr. Jimmy Barr: You
Dr. Andy Roark: Were there any that you were really surprised that they were not being used nearly as frequently as you thought?
And what I’m doing here is I’m sort of digging into practice a little bit of, are people practicing in the way you expect or were you sort of surprised to see behind the curtain?
Dr. Jimmy Barr: Well, all right. So. Here’s something that surprised me, but also didn’t surprise me if I’m honest with myself, I am still surprised a bit at how frequently people are doing fecal flotations in house. All right, and the reason why I say that is because, you know, fecal floats oftentimes like.
That’s not an emergency diagnostic. Like that’s something that you probably can wait a few days to do, I’m remembering my times in practice, you know, it’s always like in the lab, you know, where there’s the microscope and sitting there and there’s, you know, little tubes with glass slides, like on top of them, they’re just kind of sitting out there with their feces and somebody comes and knocks them over.
And, you know, there’s, it’s always in a kind of a mess. There’s. Yeah. you know, technician time that has to do that. And if you think about, you know, fecal flotation technology, like, that is a really old test. I mean, literally hundreds of 100 years old, you know, in like the technology and being able to use it.
I’m surprised that we’re still doing a ton of those in house because, you know, doing a centrifugation, with that increases the yield pretty significantly. Like, it’s, you know, that we kind of know that. And then even then using PCR, for instance, in detecting you know, intestinal parasites is
even more accurate than that, you know, so, so you’ve got these sort of layers of accuracy that you sort of to do and PCR also allows you to be able to see other things like drug resistance genes, you know, things like that. And hookworms, for instance, I just use that as an example. You know, and in some of these circumstances, you know, a lot of times in some of these puppy visits, you’ll do a fecal and be like, Oh, boy, I still, I think he might have it.
Let me just go ahead and give him some panacur you’re just in case, you know, and like that kind of stuff where you’re like, but should we be doing those things? I think some of that surprise surprises me that we haven’t progressed a ton like in that area. Yeah. But also practically, you’re thinking about kind of how, how practice functions and what the conversations are like with owners, things like that.
I’m not necessarily you know, surprised about that because, you know, you know, veterinarians are, we’re kind of averse to change. I’ll be honest. Like, I don’t even like to order different things at the same restaurant, right? I’m a pretty, I’m a creature of habit. So I kind of understand how that goes.
And so, you know, that kind of thing, I think does surprise me a bit. 20 years from now, are we really going to, have that bottle of, crusty looking you know, your solution salt, you know, whether you’re using a sugar solution or zinc sulfate or whatever, you know, are we going to have that in our hospitals, probably not, you know, probably not.
We’re probably going to be moving to, you know, PCR is that, you know, cost a quarter, you know, for us to do and give us more information, you know, like that kind of stuff.
Dr. Andy Roark: My last question for you. What do you know now, as the Chief Medical Officer at Antech, that you wish you knew when you were a criticalist at Blue Pearl?
Dr. Jimmy Barr: Let’s see. Well, almost none of that has to do with veterinary medicine. Most of that has to do with the gray hair I have on my head. But, I think some of the best things that I’ve learned, throughout my career, like, no matter which setting I’m sort of talking about I’ve listened, of ask a question and then you listen, you don’t listen to respond.
You just kind of listen to kind of gain the information that they have and just let people kind of share with you what, you know, what’s on their mind. It’ll be amazing. Like, what you learn whether that’s like, little insights into a case of, you know, we were eating corn on the cob at the 4th of July party, and now he’s vomiting, like, you know what I mean?
Hearing those little pieces of information that really kind of steer you in the right direction or, you know, help you to understand, like, you know, what is your technician motivated by? You know, what do they want to do with their, you know, their life? What do they want to learn? How do you engage them? How do you, sort of improve their lives or the folks that are around you?
That’s one of the things that I think I probably do a little bit more. Talk less and listen more.
Dr. Andy Roark: That’s fantastic. Jimmy, thank you so much for being here. Where can people find you online? Where can they kind of keep up with what you’re doing?
Dr. Jimmy Barr: Yeah. I mean, I’m on LinkedIn. So you want to, you know, send me a request. Love to, you know, interact in that way. I find it’s really awesome to sort of share information and, you know, any, you know, any questions about diagnostic tests and things like that. Our website is pretty good. Got a lot of great information.
So, AntechDiagnostics.com.
Dr. Andy Roark: Sounds good. I’ll put links to both in the show notes. Thank you for being here. Guys, thanks for tuning in everybody. Take care of yourselves.
And that’s what I got. Thanks for being here guys. Thanks to Dr. Jimmy Barr for being here with me as a guest. Thanks to Antech Diagnostics for helping make this episode happen. Gang, take care of yourselves everybody. Be well. I’ll talk to you later on.
